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bogdan_bartos
Hi,

I am running Samba 4 RC3 on a VM and I want to backup the whole thing and restore it onto a physical machine. I know there is a script for that, but currently I have it running by using the internal DNS and I want to have it running with named. Would the script carry the DNS confog over? How do I make it swicth from internal to named?

I also have several GPOs set, but the client machines will not pick them up. I disabled the shutdown, control panel and other things, but as soon as I access the GPO with GPMC, it says that the SYSVOL data is not in sync with the AD data and it just doesn't work. Is this a bug in Samba 4 RC3?

I hope you can answer both questions.

Thanks.
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Re: Samba 4 from internal DNS to named and GPOs issue

Andrew Bartlett
On Sun, 2012-10-21 at 08:59 -0700, bogdan_bartos wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am running Samba 4 RC3 on a VM and I want to backup the whole thing and
> restore it onto a physical machine. I know there is a script for that, but
> currently I have it running by using the internal DNS and I want to have it
> running with named. Would the script carry the DNS confog over? How do I
> make it swicth from internal to named?

My understanding is that you:

 - Change the smb.conf settings, and then run samba_dnsupgrade

> I also have several GPOs set, but the client machines will not pick them up.
> I disabled the shutdown, control panel and other things, but as soon as I
> access the GPO with GPMC, it says that the SYSVOL data is not in sync with
> the AD data and it just doesn't work. Is this a bug in Samba 4 RC3?

Is this against your second DC?  Remember, you have to sync your sysvol
files manually.

Andrew Bartlett

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Re: Samba 4 from internal DNS to named and GPOs issue

Marc Muehlfeld-2
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Am 21.10.2012 17:59, schrieb bogdan_bartos:
> I also have several GPOs set, but the client machines will not pick them up.
> I disabled the shutdown, control panel and other things, but as soon as I
> access the GPO with GPMC, it says that the SYSVOL data is not in sync with
> the AD data and it just doesn't work. Is this a bug in Samba 4 RC3?

GPO here work fine with my one DC. But could this message be what I reported here:
https://bugzilla.samba.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9140




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Re: Samba 4 from internal DNS to named and GPOs issue

Marc Muehlfeld-2
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Am 22.10.2012 13:25, schrieb Bogdan Bartos:
> That is correct. I get the same message.I have the samba 4 rc3 - same as yours.

Best if you answer to the list, so that the developers see, that you're having
the same issue.


Here I haven't seen any "real" problems with this message. I get this message,
when I click to the GPOs, but group policies work fine here. I hope there's
nothing bad byside the message, I havent discovered yet. :-)



Regards,
Marc



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Re: Samba 4 from internal DNS to named and GPOs issue

bogdan_bartos
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Hi andrew,

It is the only dc and it's causing issues. I did not have the sysvol
issues until I setup one gpo - the first one, then the files went out of
sync. If there is only one dc, how do I sync? To make things clear, I
provisioned a brand new samba, I created 2 users, joined 3 machines to
it and started a GPO and it's broken. Like I mentioned before, the GPO
contains restrictions to control panel, shutdown and that's about it.

Also in the howto, it is presented that it will share the printers, but
unless I install the printer in CUPS, it will not show up, no even the
printers shares is set in smb.conf, the share doesn't appear, but it
picks the printer right from cups.

On 2012-10-22 05:19, Andrew Bartlett wrote:

> On Sun, 2012-10-21 at 08:59 -0700, bogdan_bartos wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am running Samba 4 RC3 on a VM and I want to backup the whole
>> thing and
>> restore it onto a physical machine. I know there is a script for
>> that, but
>> currently I have it running by using the internal DNS and I want to
>> have it
>> running with named. Would the script carry the DNS confog over? How
>> do I
>> make it swicth from internal to named?
>
> My understanding is that you:
>
>  - Change the smb.conf settings, and then run samba_dnsupgrade
>
>> I also have several GPOs set, but the client machines will not pick
>> them up.
>> I disabled the shutdown, control panel and other things, but as soon
>> as I
>> access the GPO with GPMC, it says that the SYSVOL data is not in
>> sync with
>> the AD data and it just doesn't work. Is this a bug in Samba 4 RC3?
>
> Is this against your second DC?  Remember, you have to sync your
> sysvol
> files manually.
>
> Andrew Bartlett

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Re: Samba 4 from internal DNS to named and GPOs issue

bogdan_bartos
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That is correct. I get the same message. I have the samba 4 rc3 - same
as yours.

On 2012-10-22 05:23, Marc Muehlfeld wrote:

> Am 21.10.2012 17:59, schrieb bogdan_bartos:
>> I also have several GPOs set, but the client machines will not pick
>> them up.
>> I disabled the shutdown, control panel and other things, but as soon
>> as I
>> access the GPO with GPMC, it says that the SYSVOL data is not in
>> sync with
>> the AD data and it just doesn't work. Is this a bug in Samba 4 RC3?
>
> GPO here work fine with my one DC. But could this message be what I
> reported here:
> https://bugzilla.samba.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9140

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Re: Samba 4 from internal DNS to named and GPOs issue

Matthieu PATOU-2
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Why do you want to move to bind did you had bugs?
If so would you mind to share with us ?
Matthieu.

bogdan_bartos <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi,

I am running Samba 4 RC3 on a VM and I want to backup the whole thing and
restore it onto a physical machine. I know there is a script for that, but
currently I have it running by using the internal DNS and I want to have it
running with named. Would the script carry the DNS confog over? How do I
make it swicth from internal to named?

I also have several GPOs set, but the client machines will not pick them up.
I disabled the shutdown, control panel and other things, but as soon as I
access the GPO with GPMC, it says that the SYSVOL data is not in sync with
the AD data and it just doesn't work. Is this a bug in Samba 4 RC3?

I hope you can answer both questions.

Thanks.



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Re: Samba 4 from internal DNS to named and GPOs issue

bogdan_bartos
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I use this machine as vm in testing and the reason moving the dns to bind is because all my other dns records are on bind on another host that handles the domain, email and so on. In one environment I want to use bind as a central and single dns, but in another environment, I will probably have bind as primary dns and samba as secondary dns and on separate machines. The only reason for having samba use internal is the space of the hdd for fileserver storage. I want samba to stay on the bigger hdd. I just don't have enough machines to span samba on multiple servers to handle the shares.
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Sent: Oct 22, 2012 2:13 PM

Why do you want to move to bind did you had bugs?
If so would you mind to share with us ?
Matthieu.

bogdan_bartos <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi,

I am running Samba 4 RC3 on a VM and I want to backup the whole thing and
restore it onto a physical machine. I know there is a script for that, but
currently I have it running by using the internal DNS and I want to have it
running with named. Would the script carry the DNS confog over? How do I
make it swicth from internal to named?

I also have several GPOs set, but the client machines will not pick them up.
I disabled the shutdown, control panel and other things, but as soon as I
access the GPO with GPMC, it says that the SYSVOL data is not in sync with
the AD data and it just doesn't work. Is this a bug in Samba 4 RC3?

I hope you can answer both questions.

Thanks.



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Re: Samba 4 from internal DNS to named and GPOs issue

bogdan_bartos
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On 2012-10-22 05:19, Andrew Bartlett wrote:

> On Sun, 2012-10-21 at 08:59 -0700, bogdan_bartos wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am running Samba 4 RC3 on a VM and I want to backup the whole
>> thing and
>> restore it onto a physical machine. I know there is a script for
>> that, but
>> currently I have it running by using the internal DNS and I want to
>> have it
>> running with named. Would the script carry the DNS confog over? How
>> do I
>> make it swicth from internal to named?
>
> My understanding is that you:
>
>  - Change the smb.conf settings, and then run samba_dnsupgrade

1. I ran the backup successfully. However, I do not know how to restore
the backup.
2. What exactly do I change in smb.conf?

>
>> I also have several GPOs set, but the client machines will not pick
>> them up.
>> I disabled the shutdown, control panel and other things, but as soon
>> as I
>> access the GPO with GPMC, it says that the SYSVOL data is not in
>> sync with
>> the AD data and it just doesn't work. Is this a bug in Samba 4 RC3?
>
> Is this against your second DC?  Remember, you have to sync your
> sysvol
> files manually.
>
> Andrew Bartlett

3. I do not have 2 DCs. I am willing to try this out, but the howtos
are not that great.

First I need to be able to do basic things like backing it up,
restoring it, upgrading it, replicating it. Then I can say that is meant
to be easy, but up to now it's not. I've been using samba 3 for a long
time now, but samba4 is not that well documented. A regular person will
be able to install it, provision it, but then it will come time to
change things and play. If I would be in aproduction environment, this
would be a really tought job to recover from a loss without the proper
documentation.

I bet programming samba was a tought job, but to make a software "fly",
you really need an awesome tutorial. Or better step-by-step
explanations.
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Re: Samba 4 from internal DNS to named and GPOs issue

Ricky Nance
Bogdon,

     The wiki is fairly straight forward on joining a second DC, and the
mailing list has had several emails on the DNS changes (as do the change
logs) as well as the samba backup/restore process. I am guessing that
English is not your primary language, but please be careful on the wording
that you use in emails as some of the things you have written could easily
be taken personal. If the howto's are lacking, please register on the wiki
and you will likely be granted access to change them, also there should be
sufficient help in the man pages.

     With my rant out of the way, first please give us a bit more
information, did you install from tarball or from git? Second, in order to
get your second machine setup you can do this in one of 2 ways: 1) make a
backup of samba, have samba 4 installed on the new machine, then copy over
the samba/private, samba/etc, and your sysvol directories from old to new,
then start samba, and test it. 2) setup samba 4 on your new machine, and
join it to your existing samba 4 machine as a DC using the following
method, http://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Samba4/HOWTO/Join_a_domain_as_a_DC then
run 'samba-tool domain demote' on the first DC, you will need to manually
copy over your sysvol directory over as well and re-setup all of your
shares as they won't exist on the new DC.

     In order to change the DNS backend there is no easy straight forward
way to do this yet (as far as I know), I know at one point in the past 2-3
weeks there was a discussion on the dns-DOMAIN user not being created when
you provision with samba_internal, also I don't think it creates the
'samba/private/dns' directory or the samba/private/named.conf file, so the
configuration change that Andrew mentioned may not be enough to make this
work, however, the option he was speaking of will be in the [global]
section of your smb.conf, you will need to add the line 'server services =
-dns' then comment out the 'dns forwarder =' line if it exists in your
config, then run samba_dnsupgrade and restart samba.

     As for your earlier mail, you made the comment "I will probably have
bind as primary dns and samba as secondary dns and on separate machines". I
don't think you can do this really, if windows finds the primary dns is an
active dns, then the secondary will never be touched, so your secure dns
updates will not happen at all, and any tool that you use that needs the
dns of any machine AD wise will not work properly. It'd be best to leave
the second dns in place and use samba_internal, which you are currently
using, and a line in your smb.conf "dns forwarder = ip.to.pri.dns". You may
need to move some things from your existing bind to your AD server, but
this shouldn't be that hard, unless you have a BUNCH of entries, in which
case I would just try it and see if it works.

     Hopefully this has answered your questions, but please don't hesitate
to ask if it didn't.

Good luck,
Ricky

On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 7:29 AM, <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 2012-10-22 05:19, Andrew Bartlett wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 2012-10-21 at 08:59 -0700, bogdan_bartos wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am running Samba 4 RC3 on a VM and I want to backup the whole thing and
>>> restore it onto a physical machine. I know there is a script for that,
>>> but
>>> currently I have it running by using the internal DNS and I want to have
>>> it
>>> running with named. Would the script carry the DNS confog over? How do I
>>> make it swicth from internal to named?
>>>
>>
>> My understanding is that you:
>>
>>  - Change the smb.conf settings, and then run samba_dnsupgrade
>>
>
> 1. I ran the backup successfully. However, I do not know how to restore
> the backup.
> 2. What exactly do I change in smb.conf?
>
>
>
>>  I also have several GPOs set, but the client machines will not pick them
>>> up.
>>> I disabled the shutdown, control panel and other things, but as soon as I
>>> access the GPO with GPMC, it says that the SYSVOL data is not in sync
>>> with
>>> the AD data and it just doesn't work. Is this a bug in Samba 4 RC3?
>>>
>>
>> Is this against your second DC?  Remember, you have to sync your sysvol
>> files manually.
>>
>> Andrew Bartlett
>>
>
> 3. I do not have 2 DCs. I am willing to try this out, but the howtos are
> not that great.
>
> First I need to be able to do basic things like backing it up, restoring
> it, upgrading it, replicating it. Then I can say that is meant to be easy,
> but up to now it's not. I've been using samba 3 for a long time now, but
> samba4 is not that well documented. A regular person will be able to
> install it, provision it, but then it will come time to change things and
> play. If I would be in aproduction environment, this would be a really
> tought job to recover from a loss without the proper documentation.
>
> I bet programming samba was a tought job, but to make a software "fly",
> you really need an awesome tutorial. Or better step-by-step explanations.
>



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bogdan_bartos
On 2012-10-23 12:04, Ricky Nance wrote:

> Bogdon, 
>     
>      The wiki is fairly straight forward on joining a second DC,
> and the mailing list has had several emails on the DNS changes (as do
> the change logs) as well as the samba backup/restore process. I am
> guessing that English is not your primary language, but please be
> careful on the wording that you use in emails as some of the things
> you have written could easily be taken personal. If the howtos are
> lacking, please register on the wiki and you will likely be granted
> access to change them, also there should be sufficient help in the
> man
> pages. 

Thank you for your answer - it is much appreciated. I do understand
English, so that's not the issue. There are several scenarios that
people will encounter and they are not covered in the howtos. I know
named was not an awesome choice and it's always fun to make it work with
samba, but since the migration to internal DNS, switching the DNS
solution is not documented. However, once I get thing rolling I will
consider on writing some howtos for samba, but I'm still in a learning
phase.

>      With my rant out of the way, first please give us a bit more
> information, did you install from tarball or from git? Second, in
> order to get your second machine setup you can do this in one of 2
> ways: 1) make a backup of samba, have samba 4 installed on the new
> machine, then copy over the samba/private, samba/etc, and your sysvol
> directories from old to new, then start samba, and test it. 2) setup
> samba 4 on your new machine, and join it to your existing samba 4
> machine as a DC using the following
>
> method, http://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Samba4/HOWTO/Join_a_domain_as_a_DC
> [1] then run samba-tool domain demote on the first DC, you will need
> to manually copy over your sysvol directory over as well and re-setup
> all of your shares as they wont exist on the new DC.

I installed samba 4 RC3 from the tarball to be able to test different
scenarios. It is running on Fedora 17 as the primary and only domain
controller and the windows clients are windows 7 pro sp1. I stopped
samba and performed a backup with the provided script and I hope I got a
valid backup. I installed samba 4 rc3 on a physical machine from tarball
and provisioned a new domain (with named as backend) to see if there are
main differences in the config and there are.

>      In order to change the DNS backend there is no easy straight
> forward way to do this yet (as far as I know), I know at one point in
> the past 2-3 weeks there was a discussion on the dns-DOMAIN user not
> being created when you provision with samba_internal, also I dont
> think it creates the samba/private/dns directory or the
> samba/private/named.conf file, so the configuration change that
> Andrew
> mentioned may not be enough to make this work, however, the option he
> was speaking of will be in the [global] section of your smb.conf, you
> will need to add the line server services = -dns then comment out the
> dns forwarder = line if it exists in your config, then run
> samba_dnsupgrade and restart samba.

There are way more files in a named provisioning and there is a
samba/private/dns in the new provisioning too, so I tried to overlap the
new provisioning content with the new one, but kept the private folder
where I think the database is stored (I know it sounds stupid). Unless I
have specific instructions on how to do that to make it easy, I have no
way of doing the dns migration. Anyway, the plan was to play and make
the physical machine primary dns (for that I need to move the samba from
vm to physical but samba on vm is using internal dns), then provision a
secondary dns (in place where the original dc was - on the vm) where I
was hoping I can setup the file shares for tests. I would put the
primary dns on a machine that has limited hdd space, but I would put the
secondary domain controller where I have a bigger hdd, so I can give
users lots of space for shares. I think this should be possible. Correct
me if I'm wrong. But I fail on changing the internal to external DNS.
The vm thing is just for lab work only - not for production.

>      As for your earlier mail, you made the comment "I will
> probably have bind as primary dns and samba as secondary dns and on
> separate machines". I dont think you can do this really, if windows
> finds the primary dns is an active dns, then the secondary will never
> be touched, so your secure dns updates will not happen at all, and
> any
> tool that you use that needs the dns of any machine AD wise will not
> work properly. Itd be best to leave the second dns in place and use
> samba_internal, which you are currently using, and a line in your
> smb.conf "dns forwarder = ip.to.pri.dns". You may need to move some
> things from your existing bind to your AD server, but this shouldnt
> be
> that hard, unless you have a BUNCH of entries, in which case I would
> just try it and see if it works.

The way it is setup right now, I have a linux box doing DNS with named
where I have the domain, email and web services. I have a VM in the same
LAN where samba 4 resides running on internal dns. The windows machines
are set to dns1 (samba server) and dns1 (gateway) and for some odd
reason it works. I thought it won't initially. From what I understand,
you want me to keep named primary (on the gateway) and have the "dns
forwarder = ip.to.pri.dns" in the smb.conf. From what I can tell samba 4
and named they cannot live on the same machine. I need 2 separate
machines and the windows clients will all have primary dns samba 4 that
will forward the request to the primary dns. Right?

What exactly do I need to remove from bind and move to the samba dns?
Why would I need to move stuff out of named? What are the samba dns
files and where are they located? I only found a named.conf.update or
something like that in the provisioning. Having samba 4 running on
internal dns is great, but I need to integrate it further with other
solutions. I am planning to deploy samba 4 in production as soon as I
get the GPOs working that seem to have a bug in RC3 still.

>      Hopefully this has answered your questions, but please dont
> hesitate to ask if it didnt.
>
> Good luck,
> Ricky

Thank you Ricky!

> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 7:29 AM, <[hidden email] [2]> wrote:
>
>> On 2012-10-22 05:19, Andrew Bartlett wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 2012-10-21 at 08:59 -0700, bogdan_bartos wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I am running Samba 4 RC3 on a VM and I want to backup the whole
>>>> thing and
>>>> restore it onto a physical machine. I know there is a script
>>>> for that, but
>>>> currently I have it running by using the internal DNS and I
>>>> want to have it
>>>> running with named. Would the script carry the DNS confog over?
>>>> How do I
>>>> make it swicth from internal to named?
>>>
>>> My understanding is that you:
>>>
>>>  - Change the smb.conf settings, and then run samba_dnsupgrade
>>
>> 1. I ran the backup successfully. However, I do not know how to
>> restore the backup.
>> 2. What exactly do I change in smb.conf?
>>
>>>> I also have several GPOs set, but the client machines will not
>>>> pick them up.
>>>> I disabled the shutdown, control panel and other things, but as
>>>> soon as I
>>>> access the GPO with GPMC, it says that the SYSVOL data is not
>>>> in sync with
>>>> the AD data and it just doesnt work. Is this a bug in Samba 4
>>>> RC3?
>>>
>>> Is this against your second DC?  Remember, you have to sync your
>>> sysvol
>>> files manually.
>>>
>>> Andrew Bartlett
>>
>> 3. I do not have 2 DCs. I am willing to try this out, but the
>> howtos are not that great.
>>
>> First I need to be able to do basic things like backing it up,
>> restoring it, upgrading it, replicating it. Then I can say that is
>> meant to be easy, but up to now its not. Ive been using samba 3 for
>> a long time now, but samba4 is not that well documented. A regular
>> person will be able to install it, provision it, but then it will
>> come time to change things and play. If I would be in aproduction
>> environment, this would be a really tought job to recover from a
>> loss without the proper documentation.
>>
>> I bet programming samba was a tought job, but to make a software
>> "fly", you really need an awesome tutorial. Or better step-by-step
>> explanations.

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Ricky Nance
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 1:31 PM, <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 2012-10-23 12:04, Ricky Nance wrote:
>
>> Bogdon,
>>
>>      The wiki is fairly straight forward on joining a second DC,
>> and the mailing list has had several emails on the DNS changes (as do
>> the change logs) as well as the samba backup/restore process. I am
>> guessing that English is not your primary language, but please be
>> careful on the wording that you use in emails as some of the things
>> you have written could easily be taken personal. If the howtos are
>>
>> lacking, please register on the wiki and you will likely be granted
>> access to change them, also there should be sufficient help in the man
>> pages.
>>
>
> Thank you for your answer - it is much appreciated. I do understand
> English, so that's not the issue. There are several scenarios that people
> will encounter and they are not covered in the howtos. I know named was not
> an awesome choice and it's always fun to make it work with samba, but since
> the migration to internal DNS, switching the DNS solution is not
> documented. However, once I get thing rolling I will consider on writing
> some howtos for samba, but I'm still in a learning phase.
>
>       With my rant out of the way, first please give us a bit more
>> information, did you install from tarball or from git? Second, in
>> order to get your second machine setup you can do this in one of 2
>> ways: 1) make a backup of samba, have samba 4 installed on the new
>> machine, then copy over the samba/private, samba/etc, and your sysvol
>> directories from old to new, then start samba, and test it. 2) setup
>> samba 4 on your new machine, and join it to your existing samba 4
>> machine as a DC using the following
>>
>> method, http://wiki.samba.org/**index.php/Samba4/HOWTO/Join_a_**
>> domain_as_a_DC<http://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Samba4/HOWTO/Join_a_domain_as_a_DC>
>> [1] then run samba-tool domain demote on the first DC, you will need
>>
>> to manually copy over your sysvol directory over as well and re-setup
>> all of your shares as they wont exist on the new DC.
>>
>
> I installed samba 4 RC3 from the tarball to be able to test different
> scenarios. It is running on Fedora 17 as the primary and only domain
> controller and the windows clients are windows 7 pro sp1. I stopped samba
> and performed a backup with the provided script and I hope I got a valid
> backup. I installed samba 4 rc3 on a physical machine from tarball and
> provisioned a new domain (with named as backend) to see if there are main
> differences in the config and there are.
>
>       In order to change the DNS backend there is no easy straight
>> forward way to do this yet (as far as I know), I know at one point in
>> the past 2-3 weeks there was a discussion on the dns-DOMAIN user not
>> being created when you provision with samba_internal, also I dont
>>
>> think it creates the samba/private/dns directory or the
>> samba/private/named.conf file, so the configuration change that Andrew
>> mentioned may not be enough to make this work, however, the option he
>> was speaking of will be in the [global] section of your smb.conf, you
>> will need to add the line server services = -dns then comment out the
>> dns forwarder = line if it exists in your config, then run
>> samba_dnsupgrade and restart samba.
>>
>
> There are way more files in a named provisioning and there is a
> samba/private/dns in the new provisioning too, so I tried to overlap the
> new provisioning content with the new one, but kept the private folder
> where I think the database is stored (I know it sounds stupid). Unless I
> have specific instructions on how to do that to make it easy, I have no way
> of doing the dns migration. Anyway, the plan was to play and make the
> physical machine primary dns (for that I need to move the samba from vm to
> physical but samba on vm is using internal dns), then provision a secondary
> dns (in place where the original dc was - on the vm) where I was hoping I
> can setup the file shares for tests. I would put the primary dns on a
> machine that has limited hdd space, but I would put the secondary domain
> controller where I have a bigger hdd, so I can give users lots of space for
> shares. I think this should be possible. Correct me if I'm wrong. But I
> fail on changing the internal to external DNS. The vm thing is just for lab
> work only - not for production.
>
>       As for your earlier mail, you made the comment "I will
>> probably have bind as primary dns and samba as secondary dns and on
>> separate machines". I dont think you can do this really, if windows
>>
>> finds the primary dns is an active dns, then the secondary will never
>> be touched, so your secure dns updates will not happen at all, and any
>> tool that you use that needs the dns of any machine AD wise will not
>> work properly. Itd be best to leave the second dns in place and use
>>
>> samba_internal, which you are currently using, and a line in your
>> smb.conf "dns forwarder = ip.to.pri.dns". You may need to move some
>> things from your existing bind to your AD server, but this shouldnt be
>>
>> that hard, unless you have a BUNCH of entries, in which case I would
>> just try it and see if it works.
>>
>
> The way it is setup right now, I have a linux box doing DNS with named
> where I have the domain, email and web services. I have a VM in the same
> LAN where samba 4 resides running on internal dns. The windows machines are
> set to dns1 (samba server) and dns1 (gateway) and for some odd reason it
> works. I thought it won't initially. From what I understand, you want me to
> keep named primary (on the gateway) and have the "dns forwarder =
> ip.to.pri.dns" in the smb.conf. From what I can tell samba 4 and named they
> cannot live on the same machine. I need 2 separate machines and the windows
> clients will all have primary dns samba 4 that will forward the request to
> the primary dns. Right?
>
>

Samba 4 internal DNS can forward to any dns you need it to by setting the
"dns forwarder = " in the smb.conf.


What exactly do I need to remove from bind and move to the samba dns? Why
> would I need to move stuff out of named? What are the samba dns files and
> where are they located? I only found a named.conf.update or something like
> that in the provisioning. Having samba 4 running on internal dns is great,
> but I need to integrate it further with other solutions. I am planning to
> deploy samba 4 in production as soon as I get the GPOs working that seem to
> have a bug in RC3 still.
>
>
I am not fully understanding why you want to move back to the bind_dlz
backend I guess. Don't get me wrong there is nothing wrong with it, but I
just don't understand the reason you need to switch. Maybe if I understood
why you need named running I could help more on this.


>       Hopefully this has answered your questions, but please dont
>> hesitate to ask if it didnt.
>>
>> Good luck,
>> Ricky
>>
>
> Thank you Ricky!
>
>  On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 7:29 AM, <[hidden email] [2]> wrote:
>>
>>  On 2012-10-22 05:19, Andrew Bartlett wrote:
>>>
>>>  On Sun, 2012-10-21 at 08:59 -0700, bogdan_bartos wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am running Samba 4 RC3 on a VM and I want to backup the whole
>>>>> thing and
>>>>> restore it onto a physical machine. I know there is a script
>>>>> for that, but
>>>>> currently I have it running by using the internal DNS and I
>>>>> want to have it
>>>>> running with named. Would the script carry the DNS confog over?
>>>>> How do I
>>>>> make it swicth from internal to named?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My understanding is that you:
>>>>
>>>>  - Change the smb.conf settings, and then run samba_dnsupgrade
>>>>
>>>
>>> 1. I ran the backup successfully. However, I do not know how to
>>> restore the backup.
>>> 2. What exactly do I change in smb.conf?
>>>
>>>  I also have several GPOs set, but the client machines will not
>>>>> pick them up.
>>>>> I disabled the shutdown, control panel and other things, but as
>>>>> soon as I
>>>>> access the GPO with GPMC, it says that the SYSVOL data is not
>>>>> in sync with
>>>>> the AD data and it just doesnt work. Is this a bug in Samba 4
>>>>> RC3?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is this against your second DC?  Remember, you have to sync your
>>>> sysvol
>>>> files manually.
>>>>
>>>> Andrew Bartlett
>>>>
>>>
>>> 3. I do not have 2 DCs. I am willing to try this out, but the
>>> howtos are not that great.
>>>
>>> First I need to be able to do basic things like backing it up,
>>> restoring it, upgrading it, replicating it. Then I can say that is
>>> meant to be easy, but up to now its not. Ive been using samba 3 for
>>>
>>> a long time now, but samba4 is not that well documented. A regular
>>> person will be able to install it, provision it, but then it will
>>> come time to change things and play. If I would be in aproduction
>>> environment, this would be a really tought job to recover from a
>>> loss without the proper documentation.
>>>
>>> I bet programming samba was a tought job, but to make a software
>>> "fly", you really need an awesome tutorial. Or better step-by-step
>>> explanations.
>>>
>>
>

Ricky
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bogdan_bartos
I would gladly keep samba 4 as primary dns, but I do not have enough
documentation on how to work it. I would rather have one-box-do-them-all
solution. On my gateway, I have named doing dns. On the same machine I
have apache (httpd), postfix and other services. The whole thing runs on
named. In order to move stuff out of named into samba 4, I need to know
where the samba 4 dns files are. Also I have internal named and external
named configurations with multiple domains. Can samba dns do the same
thing? Can it run configurations for external and internal dns (private
and public IPs)? I do not necessarily want to use named, it's just this
looks the best way of doing it...

On 2012-10-23 12:52, Ricky Nance wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 1:31 PM, <[hidden email] [2]> wrote:
>
>> On 2012-10-23 12:04, Ricky Nance wrote:
>>
>>> Bogdon, 
>>>     
>>>      The wiki is fairly straight forward on joining a second
>>> DC,
>>> and the mailing list has had several emails on the DNS changes
>>> (as do
>>> the change logs) as well as the samba backup/restore process. I
>>> am
>>> guessing that English is not your primary language, but please be
>>> careful on the wording that you use in emails as some of the
>>> things
>>> you have written could easily be taken personal. If the howtos
>>> are
>>>
>>> lacking, please register on the wiki and you will likely be
>>> granted
>>> access to change them, also there should be sufficient help in
>>> the man
>>> pages. 
>>
>> Thank you for your answer - it is much appreciated. I do understand
>> English, so thats not the issue. There are several scenarios that
>> people will encounter and they are not covered in the howtos. I know
>> named was not an awesome choice and its always fun to make it work
>> with samba, but since the migration to internal DNS, switching the
>> DNS solution is not documented. However, once I get thing rolling I
>> will consider on writing some howtos for samba, but Im still in a
>> learning phase.
>>
>>>      With my rant out of the way, first please give us a bit
>>> more
>>> information, did you install from tarball or from git? Second, in
>>> order to get your second machine setup you can do this in one of
>>> 2
>>> ways: 1) make a backup of samba, have samba 4 installed on the
>>> new
>>> machine, then copy over the samba/private, samba/etc, and your
>>> sysvol
>>> directories from old to new, then start samba, and test it. 2)
>>> setup
>>> samba 4 on your new machine, and join it to your existing samba 4
>>> machine as a DC using the following
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> method, http://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Samba4/HOWTO/Join_a_domain_as_a_DC
>>> [1]
>>> [1] then run samba-tool domain demote on the first DC, you will
>>> need
>>>
>>> to manually copy over your sysvol directory over as well and
>>> re-setup
>>> all of your shares as they wont exist on the new DC.
>>
>> I installed samba 4 RC3 from the tarball to be able to test
>> different scenarios. It is running on Fedora 17 as the primary and
>> only domain controller and the windows clients are windows 7 pro
>> sp1. I stopped samba and performed a backup with the provided script
>> and I hope I got a valid backup. I installed samba 4 rc3 on a
>> physical machine from tarball and provisioned a new domain (with
>> named as backend) to see if there are main differences in the config
>> and there are.
>
> Samba 4 internal DNS can forward to any dns you need it to by setting
> the "dns forwarder = " in the smb.conf. 
>
>> What exactly do I need to remove from bind and move to the samba
>> dns? Why would I need to move stuff out of named? What are the samba
>> dns files and where are they located? I only found a
>> named.conf.update or something like that in the provisioning. Having
>> samba 4 running on internal dns is great, but I need to integrate it
>> further with other solutions. I am planning to deploy samba 4 in
>> production as soon as I get the GPOs working that seem to have a bug
>> in RC3 still.
>
> I am not fully understanding why you want to move back to the
> bind_dlz
> backend I guess. Dont get me wrong there is nothing wrong with it,
> but
> I just dont understand the reason you need to switch. Maybe if I
> understood why you need named running I could help more on this.
>        Hopefully this has answered your questions, but please dont
>  hesitate to ask if it didnt.
>
>  Good luck,
>  Ricky
>
>  Thank you Ricky!
>
>  On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 7:29 AM, <[hidden email] [3] [2]>
> wrote:
>
>  On 2012-10-22 05:19, Andrew Bartlett wrote:
>
>  On Sun, 2012-10-21 at 08:59 -0700, bogdan_bartos wrote:
>
>  Hi,
>
>  I am running Samba 4 RC3 on a VM and I want to backup the whole
>  thing and
>  restore it onto a physical machine. I know there is a script
>  for that, but
>  currently I have it running by using the internal DNS and I
>  want to have it
>  running with named. Would the script carry the DNS confog over?
>  How do I
>  make it swicth from internal to named?
>
>  My understanding is that you:
>
>   - Change the smb.conf settings, and then run samba_dnsupgrade
>
>  1. I ran the backup successfully. However, I do not know how to
>  restore the backup.
>  2. What exactly do I change in smb.conf?
>
>  I also have several GPOs set, but the client machines will not
>  pick them up.
>  I disabled the shutdown, control panel and other things, but as
>  soon as I
>  access the GPO with GPMC, it says that the SYSVOL data is not
>  in sync with
>  the AD data and it just doesnt work. Is this a bug in Samba 4
>  RC3?
>
>  Is this against your second DC?  Remember, you have to sync your
>  sysvol
>  files manually.
>
>  Andrew Bartlett
>
>  3. I do not have 2 DCs. I am willing to try this out, but the
>  howtos are not that great.
>
>  First I need to be able to do basic things like backing it up,
>  restoring it, upgrading it, replicating it. Then I can say that is
>  meant to be easy, but up to now its not. Ive been using samba 3 for
>
>  a long time now, but samba4 is not that well documented. A regular
>  person will be able to install it, provision it, but then it will
>  come time to change things and play. If I would be in aproduction
>  environment, this would be a really tought job to recover from a
>  loss without the proper documentation.
>
>  I bet programming samba was a tought job, but to make a software
>  "fly", you really need an awesome tutorial. Or better step-by-step
>  explanations.
>
> Ricky--
>
>>
>
>
> Links:
> ------
> [1]
> http://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Samba4/HOWTO/Join_a_domain_as_a_DC
> [2] mailto:[hidden email]
> [3] mailto:[hidden email]

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Re: Samba 4 from internal DNS to named and GPOs issue

Ricky Nance
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 1:55 PM, <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I would gladly keep samba 4 as primary dns, but I do not have enough
> documentation on how to work it. I would rather have one-box-do-them-all
> solution. On my gateway, I have named doing dns. On the same machine I have
> apache (httpd), postfix and other services. The whole thing runs on named.
> In order to move stuff out of named into samba 4, I need to know where the
> samba 4 dns files are. Also I have internal named and external named
> configurations with multiple domains. Can samba dns do the same thing? Can
> it run configurations for external and internal dns (private and public
> IPs)? I do not necessarily want to use named, it's just this looks the best
> way of doing it...
>
> Ok, now I understand :). No samba_internal cannot do what you are doing
with bind (as far as I know), you can however run all of the internal DNS
requests from it and use the windows DNS tools to manage it. It would
probably be best to keep them seperated as the bind9_dlz exposes a small
part of AD to the DNS server (named). In my opinion I would let samba
handle all DNS on the inside and use the forwarder line to your other
machine running apache and postfix. Personally I don't care either way if
you want to use bind_dlz or samba_internal backend (though the
samba_internal is easier to setup), but I would try to avoid putting samba
on a public IP.


> On 2012-10-23 12:52, Ricky Nance wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 1:31 PM, <[hidden email] [2]> wrote:
>>
>>  On 2012-10-23 12:04, Ricky Nance wrote:
>>>
>>>  Bogdon,
>>>>
>>>>      The wiki is fairly straight forward on joining a second
>>>> DC,
>>>> and the mailing list has had several emails on the DNS changes
>>>> (as do
>>>> the change logs) as well as the samba backup/restore process. I
>>>> am
>>>> guessing that English is not your primary language, but please be
>>>> careful on the wording that you use in emails as some of the
>>>> things
>>>> you have written could easily be taken personal. If the howtos
>>>> are
>>>>
>>>> lacking, please register on the wiki and you will likely be
>>>> granted
>>>> access to change them, also there should be sufficient help in
>>>> the man
>>>> pages.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you for your answer - it is much appreciated. I do understand
>>> English, so thats not the issue. There are several scenarios that
>>>
>>> people will encounter and they are not covered in the howtos. I know
>>> named was not an awesome choice and its always fun to make it work
>>>
>>> with samba, but since the migration to internal DNS, switching the
>>> DNS solution is not documented. However, once I get thing rolling I
>>> will consider on writing some howtos for samba, but Im still in a
>>>
>>> learning phase.
>>>
>>>       With my rant out of the way, first please give us a bit
>>>> more
>>>> information, did you install from tarball or from git? Second, in
>>>> order to get your second machine setup you can do this in one of
>>>> 2
>>>> ways: 1) make a backup of samba, have samba 4 installed on the
>>>> new
>>>> machine, then copy over the samba/private, samba/etc, and your
>>>> sysvol
>>>> directories from old to new, then start samba, and test it. 2)
>>>> setup
>>>> samba 4 on your new machine, and join it to your existing samba 4
>>>> machine as a DC using the following
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> method, http://wiki.samba.org/**index.php/Samba4/HOWTO/Join_a_**
>> domain_as_a_DC<http://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Samba4/HOWTO/Join_a_domain_as_a_DC>
>>
>>> [1]
>>>> [1] then run samba-tool domain demote on the first DC, you will
>>>> need
>>>>
>>>> to manually copy over your sysvol directory over as well and
>>>> re-setup
>>>> all of your shares as they wont exist on the new DC.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I installed samba 4 RC3 from the tarball to be able to test
>>> different scenarios. It is running on Fedora 17 as the primary and
>>> only domain controller and the windows clients are windows 7 pro
>>> sp1. I stopped samba and performed a backup with the provided script
>>> and I hope I got a valid backup. I installed samba 4 rc3 on a
>>> physical machine from tarball and provisioned a new domain (with
>>> named as backend) to see if there are main differences in the config
>>> and there are.
>>>
>>
>> Samba 4 internal DNS can forward to any dns you need it to by setting
>> the "dns forwarder = " in the smb.conf.
>>
>>  What exactly do I need to remove from bind and move to the samba
>>> dns? Why would I need to move stuff out of named? What are the samba
>>> dns files and where are they located? I only found a
>>> named.conf.update or something like that in the provisioning. Having
>>> samba 4 running on internal dns is great, but I need to integrate it
>>> further with other solutions. I am planning to deploy samba 4 in
>>> production as soon as I get the GPOs working that seem to have a bug
>>> in RC3 still.
>>>
>>
>> I am not fully understanding why you want to move back to the bind_dlz
>> backend I guess. Dont get me wrong there is nothing wrong with it, but
>> I just dont understand the reason you need to switch. Maybe if I
>>
>> understood why you need named running I could help more on this.
>>        Hopefully this has answered your questions, but please dont
>>  hesitate to ask if it didnt.
>>
>>  Good luck,
>>  Ricky
>>
>>  Thank you Ricky!
>>
>>  On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 7:29 AM, <[hidden email] [3] [2]>
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  On 2012-10-22 05:19, Andrew Bartlett wrote:
>>
>>  On Sun, 2012-10-21 at 08:59 -0700, bogdan_bartos wrote:
>>
>>  Hi,
>>
>>  I am running Samba 4 RC3 on a VM and I want to backup the whole
>>  thing and
>>  restore it onto a physical machine. I know there is a script
>>  for that, but
>>  currently I have it running by using the internal DNS and I
>>  want to have it
>>  running with named. Would the script carry the DNS confog over?
>>  How do I
>>  make it swicth from internal to named?
>>
>>  My understanding is that you:
>>
>>   - Change the smb.conf settings, and then run samba_dnsupgrade
>>
>>  1. I ran the backup successfully. However, I do not know how to
>>  restore the backup.
>>  2. What exactly do I change in smb.conf?
>>
>>  I also have several GPOs set, but the client machines will not
>>  pick them up.
>>  I disabled the shutdown, control panel and other things, but as
>>  soon as I
>>  access the GPO with GPMC, it says that the SYSVOL data is not
>>  in sync with
>>  the AD data and it just doesnt work. Is this a bug in Samba 4
>>  RC3?
>>
>>  Is this against your second DC?  Remember, you have to sync your
>>  sysvol
>>  files manually.
>>
>>  Andrew Bartlett
>>
>>  3. I do not have 2 DCs. I am willing to try this out, but the
>>  howtos are not that great.
>>
>>  First I need to be able to do basic things like backing it up,
>>  restoring it, upgrading it, replicating it. Then I can say that is
>>  meant to be easy, but up to now its not. Ive been using samba 3 for
>>
>>  a long time now, but samba4 is not that well documented. A regular
>>  person will be able to install it, provision it, but then it will
>>  come time to change things and play. If I would be in aproduction
>>  environment, this would be a really tought job to recover from a
>>  loss without the proper documentation.
>>
>>  I bet programming samba was a tought job, but to make a software
>>  "fly", you really need an awesome tutorial. Or better step-by-step
>>  explanations.
>>
>> Ricky--
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>> Links:
>> ------
>> [1] http://wiki.samba.org/index.**php/Samba4/HOWTO/Join_a_**
>> domain_as_a_DC<http://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Samba4/HOWTO/Join_a_domain_as_a_DC>
>> [2] mailto:[hidden email]
>> [3] mailto:[hidden email]
>>
>
>

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Samba 4 RC5 make error

bogdan_bartos
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Hi,

I am getting this error when running the make on samba 4 RC5. I got the
same error on make on samba 4 RC4:
ERROR: Target 'cups' in directory /root/samba-4.0.0rc5/source3
re-defined as EMPTY - was SYSLIB

Please let me know what's the cause and the fix... Thanks!
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Re: Samba 4 RC5 make error

Andrew Bartlett
On Tue, 2012-11-13 at 18:27 -0700, BlackPenguin ADMIN wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am getting this error when running the make on samba 4 RC5. I got the
> same error on make on samba 4 RC4:
> ERROR: Target 'cups' in directory /root/samba-4.0.0rc5/source3
> re-defined as EMPTY - was SYSLIB
>
> Please let me know what's the cause and the fix... Thanks!

My guess is that you have cups, but a version that is too old or
otherwise fails the code in source3/wscript.  What version of the cups
do you have, and do you have cups/cups.h and cups/language.h as a system
header?

Thanks,

Andrew Bartlett

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Re: Samba 4 RC5 make error

bogdan_bartos
My cups version is pretty up to date I guess.

cups-1.5.4-2.fc17.x86_64
cups-libs-1.5.4-2.fc17.x86_64
ghostscript-cups-9.05-4.fc17.x86_64

If I look in wscript, there is no cups showing up. Cups is started and
running. This worked perfectly in samba 4 RC3... Not sure what changed
since then. I am running kernel-3.6.6-1.fc17.x86_64

On 11/13/2012 11:00 PM, Andrew Bartlett wrote:

> On Tue, 2012-11-13 at 18:27 -0700, BlackPenguin ADMIN wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am getting this error when running the make on samba 4 RC5. I got the
>> same error on make on samba 4 RC4:
>> ERROR: Target 'cups' in directory /root/samba-4.0.0rc5/source3
>> re-defined as EMPTY - was SYSLIB
>>
>> Please let me know what's the cause and the fix... Thanks!
> My guess is that you have cups, but a version that is too old or
> otherwise fails the code in source3/wscript.  What version of the cups
> do you have, and do you have cups/cups.h and cups/language.h as a system
> header?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andrew Bartlett
>

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Re: Samba 4 RC5 make error

Alexander Bokovoy
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 3:00 PM, BlackPenguin ADMIN
<[hidden email]> wrote:
> My cups version is pretty up to date I guess.
>
> cups-1.5.4-2.fc17.x86_64
> cups-libs-1.5.4-2.fc17.x86_64
> ghostscript-cups-9.05-4.fc17.x86_64
>
> If I look in wscript, there is no cups showing up. Cups is started and
> running. This worked perfectly in samba 4 RC3... Not sure what changed since
> then. I am running kernel-3.6.6-1.fc17.x86_64
You don't have cups-devel package installed, so Samba module dealing
with cups cannot be compiled and linked.

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Re: Samba 4 RC5 make error

bogdan_bartos
That worked! Awesome! Thank you!

On 11/16/2012 05:40 AM, Alexander Bokovoy wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 3:00 PM, BlackPenguin ADMIN
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> My cups version is pretty up to date I guess.
>>
>> cups-1.5.4-2.fc17.x86_64
>> cups-libs-1.5.4-2.fc17.x86_64
>> ghostscript-cups-9.05-4.fc17.x86_64
>>
>> If I look in wscript, there is no cups showing up. Cups is started and
>> running. This worked perfectly in samba 4 RC3... Not sure what changed since
>> then. I am running kernel-3.6.6-1.fc17.x86_64
> You don't have cups-devel package installed, so Samba module dealing
> with cups cannot be compiled and linked.
>

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